Spirit System

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For the 4th bank, even for users who do not have a radio to support it, It can be used as a failsafe bank.

This is my plan.

Once stabilization mode has an upright only option I will set this on my 4th bank and set my failsafes to activate bank 4 so in the case of a Rx signal loss it will stabilize and allow it to hit on the skids with the disk acting as a parachute to hopefully mitigate any damage!

I think this is the only unit that will have this capability!

Jman841 wrote:For the 4th bank, even for users who do not have a radio to support it, It can be used as a failsafe bank.

This is my plan.

Once stabilization mode has an upright only option I will set this on my 4th bank and set my failsafes to activate bank 4 so in the case of a Rx signal loss it will stabilize and allow it to hit on the skids with the disk acting as a parachute to hopefully mitigate any damage!

I think this is the only unit that will have this capability!

Hi there Jman! I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean, but Spirit does have a stabilization mode already, called rescue normal. Did you by any chance tried to do what I described in the previous page, 4th post right under the "EDIT" section? I think it is what you are looking for and you don't have to wait for the 4th bank. Except if you mean that you already need the other three for other stabi modes, which would be pretty much strange for me since I only needed one stabi mode so far(Rescue acro) and thus I haven't even enabled banks at all...

Failsafe is something different than rescue mode. Yes, it can rescue your model but it works only when you lost signal

ZeXx86 wrote: 8. It actually is stored in the unit - each change is immediatelly transmitted to the unit so even after software is disconnected it is there.
Software and wizard is asking you anytime when the settings is changed if you wish to save it, but if you selected No, you can save it even later and even continue in it.
But it is not stored permanently, until you are sure it is really good. This will prevent that you saved some settings that does not work for you. Old settings is returned then.

From your statement here I understand that there is at least flash and RAM inside Spirit. I guess that there is some ROM too? But what I'd really like to know is if there are a couple KB of NVRAM for the startup configuration to be saved there or if it goes straight to flash along with the FW when you hit save. Also I'd like to know which memory keeps the log file while everything is fine and where it gets stored until is viewed by the user when a major problem occurs.

ZeXx86 wrote: 7. this is little bit complicated as calculated speed is only theorethical and is different across each helicopter. But we are thinking about it for longer time.

I'm not very sure what do you mean by "calculated speed" but I know for sure that the Brain implements this feature for a long time now, so it definitely can be done. I'm speaking in terms of programming of course, because I'm sure that Spirit definitely supports it in terms of hardware already...

Jman841 wrote: 4. BEC Tester. A mode in the setup that will move the servos from full negative to positive pitch very quickly to test if the BEC can handle the load placed on it during rescue. Many of the rescue failures are due to inadequate BEC's and having a dedicated tester in the setup page may help avoid this for some people.

Thomas, is it really possible to implement something like that? Last time I moved all servos all together I didn't manage to see more that 0.7A peak current draw on the multimeter I used. I mean that, no matter how fast I move the servos around what really matters and draws high amperage on servos is force. And you can't put force at all on the servos when you are in ground. Even when I counteracted the movement of servos by holding the main blades the maximum amount of current drawed was 1.5A at the most......

EDIT: sorry, numbers in the last section are wrong. I hadn't taken into account that those numbers are what I measured on the 6s lipo. Bec provides 1/3 of that voltage, so actual current used on servos was 3 times more than those measurements... Please answer only to the first two sections.

Oh and btw btheli had a request before mine which I accidentally didn't include in the updated list, so I include it now at position #9. Sorry btheli....

1. Gov function. This has been stated to be coming and I can't wait. I much prefer FBL govs over ESC Govs or throttle curves

2. A 4th bank. 3 banks is nice but a 4th would be great so I can dedicate one to fail safe and possibly have the Bank channel -100 to -50 for Bank 0, -50 to 0 for bank 1, 0 to 50 bank 2, 50 to 100 for bank 3

3. Upright only rescue mode with either 0 pitch or up to 5% pitch for failsafe setup. This can possibly reduce the rate that the heli will hit the ground and ensure it hits skids first to help prevent damage by letting the skids absorb some of the initial inpact. It can be done right now with self level mode, however, if the SL mode levels it out in the inverted state that may not be a good thing.

4. BEC Tester. A mode in the setup that will move the servos from full negative to positive pitch very quickly to test if the BEC can handle the load placed on it during rescue. Many of the rescue failures are due to inadequate BEC's and having a dedicated tester in the setup page may help avoid this for some people.

5. Running log of all flights or even it if it only saves issues, allow it to continue to record if a problem is reported

6. Not sure if this is possible but is there a way to do a similar thing to trim flight where the unit can detect what the proper cyclic and tail gains are when activated?

7. In the "sensor" tab under the "rotation speed" I'd like to see degrees instead of this number range (5 - 16) which mean nothing and don't resemble anything like I've seen so far. Degrees are way much more helpful and I can use the same exact setting as on RealFlight and other simulators. Needless to say that degrees should always correspond to reality; there would be no need for a menu that when you choose for example 720 degrees, the model rotates at 1.9 or 2.1 rotations per second...

8. EVERY step you take during setup should be automatically saved. It's very annoying to have to do everything from scratch because you forgot to save in the end. Besides, this is true for every other gyro I've seen so far, so why not for spirit too?

9. Set level during setup, and then the spirit remembers this until set again. This would alleviate having to have the Heli level when powering up.

nougiw wrote:

Jman841 wrote:For the 4th bank, even for users who do not have a radio to support it, It can be used as a failsafe bank.

This is my plan.

Once stabilization mode has an upright only option I will set this on my 4th bank and set my failsafes to activate bank 4 so in the case of a Rx signal loss it will stabilize and allow it to hit on the skids with the disk acting as a parachute to hopefully mitigate any damage!

I think this is the only unit that will have this capability!

Hi there Jman! I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean, but Spirit does have a stabilization mode already, called rescue normal. Did you by any chance tried to do what I described in the previous page, 4th post right under the "EDIT" section? I think it is what you are looking for and you don't have to wait for the 4th bank. Except if you mean that you already need the other three for other stabi modes, which would be pretty much strange for me since I only needed one stabi mode so far(Rescue acro) and thus I haven't even enabled banks at all...

The current way Stabilization works is if you are upright, it will stabilize upright, if you are inverted and activate stabilization it will stabilize inverted. This is an excellent feature for people trying to learn upright and inverted flight, but, is not good for a fail safe option as if the heli is upside down when the failsafe is activated, it will stabilize upside down and hit the ground with the blades first.

Rescue normal mode does exactly what I want, however, can not be set to less than 40% collective. This is a bad situation in the case of a failsafe as well since your heli will climb until all HS is lost then fall very fast out of the sky.

What i want to do is a have a normal rescue, or a upright only stabilization that I can set the collective to 0 degree's pitch in my failsafes. My failsafes will be setup to activate Bank 4 and upright only stabilization so it will always land on the skids with the main blades hopefully still spinning to act as a parachute during its decent. This can be done with 3 banks, but, I like my 3 banks for flight style settings! haha.

Currently I don't have this setup as the risk of having the heli stabilize inverted is too high.

Franky13 wrote:German Software?

i agree....and full german manual for new firmware

Jman841 wrote: however, can not be set to less than 40% collective.

Yeah, sorry, I totally forgot that...

8. Only RAM and FLASH memories are available. So our intention is to do the lowest possible program cycles. This is why lot of Brain units are dying because of corrupted FLASH memory (even that there is no logging support)

7. It can be done, but it is not very precise - you can set too high values, but unit can't guarantee that it can achieve such speed mechanically. So it is rather eye candy feature and can confuse pilots because same settings can work differently on different helicopters.